The scenario of Favre out, and Tavaris Jackson/Sage Rosenfels in has a major effect on the receiving core;
most notably on Sidney Rice and
Visanthe Shiancoe. In my conversations
today, the talk mainly focused on how Sidney Rice would be effected -- but there
are so many other variables in play as well.
I went back and tried to research all the situations I could find where:
- a great/good QB was injured for most/all of the season, replaced by a
backup, then returned the following season.
- a great/good QB left (via trade, free agency) and was replaced by a
"weak" QB
- the impact of the QB change on the
top WR (on team, and in NFL)
- more recent history, within the last 5-6 seasons.
There are not as many instances in recent history as I thought.
Most situations were outside of what I was looking for. For example a bad QB replaces
bad QB quite often. A good QB replaces good QB occasionally
(Brees/Rivers, Favre/Rodgers, Bledsoe/Brady, etc). Sometimes there is just no change
at all, the same good QB is at the helm for a
long time. Rarely does a good/great QB just suddenly vanish and is replaced
by a very weak QB.
Some of these following scenarios may be arguable, but I
think they are a pretty decent correlation. The situations I found intriguing:
2008 = Tom Brady injured game one, and replaced
with Matt Cassel for the rest of the season
Cassel wasn't awful in 2008, but he's
definitely not in Tom Brady's class. Was it the Patriots/Belichick system that carried
Cassel in 2008, or not? One thing we can tell is that the change from Brady to
Cassel
had an effect on Randy Moss. Below is a look at Randy Moss before and after
Brady's 2008 injury season. Note: Scoring based on receiving stats only (no
rushing).
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
R.Moss w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 18.0 |
24.1 |
2007 |
Tom Brady |
16 |
98 |
1493 |
23 |
|
10.4 |
14.7 |
2008 |
Matt Cassel |
16 |
69 |
1008 |
11 |
| 12.8 |
18.0 |
2009 |
Tom Brady |
16 |
83 |
1264 |
13 |
Randy Moss did not perform poorly in 2008, he just wasn't his usual
Fantasy Football "superstar" self. Randy Moss is obviously an all-time great, but when a WR gets
paired with a mediocre or bad QB, performance is likely to come down. In
Moss's case about a 33% drop in 2008 with Cassel as opposed to Moss's average of 2007 and 2009
performances with Brady.
The performance drop was not just contained to Randy Moss, it also
affected the other key Patriots WR Wes Welker.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
W.Welker w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 10.3 |
17.3 |
2007 |
Tom Brady |
16 |
112 |
1175 |
8 |
|
8.4 |
15.3 |
2008 |
Matt Cassel |
16 |
111 |
1165 |
3 |
| 11.3 |
20.1 |
2009 |
Tom Brady |
14 |
123 |
1348 |
4 |
Welker had a great 2008 season with Cassel, 111
catches and 1,165 yards, but Welker's Fantasy Football performance
declined approx. 15-20% with Cassel versus the 2-year average with Brady.
2008 = Carson Palmer injured most of early
season, replaced by Ryan Fitzpatrick after Week 4
Palmer was hobbled with his injury and only played 4 games before being replaced. The
situation took a performance toll on Bengals top WR Chad Johnson/OchoCinco.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
OchoCinco w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 12.0 |
17.8 |
2007 |
Carson Palmer |
16 |
93 |
1440 |
8 |
|
6.0 |
10.1 |
2006 |
Ryan Fitzpatrick |
13 |
53 |
540 |
4 |
| 9.9 |
14.4 |
2008 |
Carson Palmer |
16 |
72 |
1047 |
9 |
OchoCinco had an approx. 33-40% Fantasy Football scoring drop away from Palmer.
It wasn't great for Bengals WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh either. In analyzing T.J., the view is
2006 and 2007 with Carson Palmer, and then 2008 with Fitzpatrick. In 2009,
Houshmandzadeh left for Seattle so it is not statistically relevant for
comparing. You will
see T.J.'s normal pattern with Palmer, and then a drop-off with Fitzpatrick.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
Houshmandzadeh w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 11.6 |
18.0 |
2006 |
Carson Palmer |
14 |
90 |
1081 |
9 |
| 11.6 |
18.6 |
2007 |
Carson Palmer |
16 |
112 |
1143 |
12 |
|
7.6 |
13.8 |
2006 |
Ryan Fitzpatrick |
15 |
92 |
904 |
4 |
T.J. Houshmandzadeh had a consistent rhythm with
Carson Palmer, and then an approx. 30-35% drop in Fantasy scoring
with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
2007 = Jake Delhomme hurt in
2007, giving way to a mix of Vinny Testaverde, David Carr and Matt Moore
Back when Jake Delhomme was a good/top QB, he had a
great football/statistical relationship with WR Steve Smith. Delhomme was hurt in 2007,
and the Panthers shuffled in multiple QB's led by Vinny Testaverde.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
S.Smith w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 11.8 |
17.7 |
2006 |
Jake Delhomme |
14 |
83 |
1166 |
8 |
|
9.5 |
15.3 |
2007 |
Delhomme, Carr, Testaverde, Moore |
15 |
87 |
1002 |
7 |
| 12.7 |
18.3 |
2008 |
Jake Delhomme |
14 |
78 |
1421 |
6 |
Steve Smith's Fantasy Football scoring dipped
15-20% when the Panthers 2007 QB carousel was forced upon him.
2009 = Jeff Garcia leaves the
Buccaneers after the 2008 season, replaced by 3 other QB's in 2009
Jeff Garcia was a top QB in his time, a very good
QB into his mid-30's in 2006-08. He was with Tampa Bay in 2007-08. In 2008
Antonio Bryant was brought in from San Francisco and became the Bucs/Garcia's
top WR target. When Garcia left after 2008, he was replaced by Josh Johnson,
Byron Leftwich and Josh Freeman. Antonio Bryant was a Top 20 WR in 2008, but "not so much" in 2009 without Garcia.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
A.Bryant w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 10.4 |
15.6 |
2008 |
Jeff Garcia |
16 |
83 |
1248 |
7 |
|
6.5 |
9.5 |
2009 |
Freeman,
Leftwich, J.Johnson |
13 |
39 |
600 |
4 |
Antonio Bryant experienced an approx. 30% reduction
in Fantasy performance switching from Jeff Garcia in 2008 to the "hodge-podge" of
"iffy" Tampa Bay QB's in 2009.
2005 = Drew Bledsoe leaves
Buffalo for Dallas in 2005, replaced by Kelly Holcomb
Drew Bledsoe was a pretty good stat producing QB
throughout his career. In 2002 he left New England for Buffalo. The Bills top
WR, for about 8 seasons during the late 90's and into the 2000's, was Eric
Moulds. Moulds had one of the top seasons of his career upon Bledsoe's arrival
in 2002. The view below is the 2003 and 2004 seasons performance leading
into the 2005 decline with Kelly Holcomb taking over.
|
FF (Trad) PPG |
FF PPR PPG |
Season |
E. Moulds w/ QB |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
TD |
| 6.5 |
11.4 |
2003 |
Drew Bledsoe |
13 |
64 |
780 |
1 |
| 8.4 |
13.9 |
2004 |
Drew Bledsoe |
16 |
88 |
1043 |
5 |
|
7.0 |
12.4 |
2005 |
Kelly
Holcomb |
15 |
81 |
816 |
4 |
Eric Moulds was a really good WR for the Bills for
a decade. His Fantasy numbers dropped approx. 15% with the switch to Kelly
Holcomb versus the prior two years with Drew Bledsoe.
In all the examples above, the "top" WR on these
teams had their fantasy performance drop somewhere between 15-30+% when they
went from good/great QB to the "weaker" rookie/journeyman-type QB. Many of
the WR's still had very good seasons with the weak/fill-in QB's, but just not as
great as their past/present performances with their high-level QB. Below is a
tally of the (above) top WR's in their seasons with the good/great QB, versus
the season where it skipped to the "weak" QB" on injury/trade/free agency etc.
|
PPG Chg |
PPG w/ the "replacement" QB |
PPG w/ good-great QB |
FF scoring system |
| -3.2
(-28%) |
8.2
|
11.4
|
Traditional Fantasy Football
scoring |
|
-4.0 (-23%) |
13.4
|
17.4
|
PPR Fantasy Football scoring |
I did not cherry pick the list/options to find the
situations that fit the theory. Honestly, I went through looking for recent QB
injury scenarios where they missed most/all of a season and a "weak" backup(s)
took over. Once I identified those situations I looked at the top WR/TE's to see
what happened to performance before and after. Sometimes the QB was hurt, but
the receivers left via trade/free agency -- so no comparison. Rarely did
a top QB miss an entire season, to be replaced by a "weak" QB. It is not an event that occurs that often. Typically good QB's ride off
into the sunset as performance begins to slip. It is unusual for a QB at his peak
to suddenly be gone for a season (like Brady in 2008), requiring an emergency fill-in. In
the circumstances I found, there was always a WR statistical performance
drop-off.
If a WR drop-off is almost a statistical certainty,
when a top QB is instantly replaced with a weak QB, then there is a decent
probability that the performances of the key Vikings receivers will be effected
by the QB drop-off from Favre. i.e. Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian,
and Visanthe Shiancoe. If we factor a 25% drop of their 2009 numbers, for a 2010,
it would project the following for traditional and PPR scoring:
*2009 PPG's are Games 1-15, no Game 16. Includes
receiving and rushing totals (not KR points).
|
PPG Chg on 25% drop |
PPG FF (Trad) '10 |
PPG FF (Trad) '09 |
Vikings WR |
| -2.6 |
7.7 |
10.3 |
Sidney Rice |
| -2.1 |
6.5 |
8.6 |
Percy Harvin |
| -1.8 |
5.3 |
7.1 |
Visanthe Shiancoe |
| -1.4 |
4.4 |
5.8 |
Bernard Berrian |
|
PPG Chg on 25% drop |
PPG FF (PPR) '10 |
PPG FF (PPR) '09 |
Vikings WR |
| -3.8 |
11.6 |
15.4 |
Sidney Rice |
| -3.1 |
9.3 |
12.4 |
Percy Harvin |
| -2.6 |
7.8 |
10.4 |
Visanthe Shiancoe |
| -2.4 |
7.2 |
9.6 |
Bernard Berrian |
Maybe Favre retires, maybe he doesn't. All this
research will not be in vain as there is a 2010 scenario this definitely fits --
Larry Fitzgerald from Kurt Warner to Matt Leinart. Do you think Larry Fitzgerald
is too elite a WR to drop-off that far? Look back to the top of the article on
Randy Moss. Moss with Cassel in 2008 = 10.4 Traditional PPG, and 14.7 PPR PPG.
Similar to what you are going to see on the math on Larry Fitzgerald below.
|
PPG Chg on 25% drop |
PPG FF (Trad) '10 |
PPG FF (Trad) '09 |
Cardinals WR |
| -3.2 |
9.6 |
12.8 |
Larry Fitzgerald |
|
PPG Chg on 25% drop |
PPG FF (PPR) '10 |
PPG FF (PPR) '09 |
Cardinals
WR |
| -4.9 |
14.6 |
19.5 |
Larry Fitzgerald |
By the way, Larry Fitzgerald has been paired with
Matt Leinart as the starting QB 11 times in his career with his average
Fantasy Football traditional scoring = 8.2 PPG.
The impact of an elite QB just dropping out "on top
of his game" is rare. However, we may have two instances of it in 2010 with Kurt
Warner, and now Brett Favre. Warner and Favre are difference-making,
Hall-of-Fame QB's. Logically you cannot expect the performances of the
associated WR's to stay on the highest level with a drop down to Tavaris
Jackson, Sage Rosenfels, and Matt Leinart filling in. Favre and Warner have a
combined 705 Passing TD's to 445 INT's. Jackson, Rosenfels, Leinart have a
combined 65 TD's and 67 INT's. There is no comparison logically, and there
definitely isn't one historically and statistically.
The key WR and TE Fantasy
Football performances are coming down without Warner and Favre, dropping to
Leinart and T.Jackson/Rosenfels. Will you fight history, or adjust accordingly?
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