*An on-going series of
putting college QBs in our mathematical
analysis. We don’t have all the needed data
until the 2011 NFL Combine results, but we can assume
some of it (for now) and we have all the game
performance/statistics.
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on the College QB rating system --
Predicting the Unpredictable…Projecting a
College QB to the NFL with a Mathematical
Formula
ARTICLE:
Just based on our formula,
taking 2009 as Christian Ponder's final college
season -- Ponder would have been our #2 rated QB
for the 2010 Draft, behind #1 Sam Bradford.
Both Ponder and Bradford would have also scored
within our system's future NFL QB "success
range". Bradford rating as a strong potential
future elite, Ponder rated as potentially good,
possibly great.
For those who don't live
football every second of the day and are just
tuning their mind into some of these 2011 QB
names -- you might think, "if you have
Ponder rated so high, why don't we hear much
about him (Ponder)?". How fast news cycles
and fanfare can run? Leading up to a November
2009 game against Clemson, Ponder was discussed
as a leave early for the pros QB (as a Junior).
Ponder missed some practice and was injured
going into that fateful 2009 Clemson game.
Ponder threw 4 picks and had his season ended
via injury in that very same 2009 Clemson game.
Forcing the end of his possible 2010 Draft
story.
Ponder was then a pre-2010
season "Heisman Hopeful". He had a bad
game early 2010 against Oklahoma and went on to
have elbow problems off and on all 2010 -- all
that, and off the major radar screen Ponder has
pretty much gone since. I say all this not to
defend Ponder, or "push" him...it's just
information. I'm noting all this because I
had also forgotten/didn't know about some of
this info on Ponder. I don't watch 1,000
football games a weekend, nor worry about the
hype a media darling of the moment is getting (a
la Blaine Gabbert, who should not be such
a universal #1 QB in 2011...but seems to be for
most all media). It is just some background --
Christian Ponder at one time had a bigger hype
going. A media or fan push is nice, but it isn't
always accurate -- which is why we just look at
the numbers for a judgment call.
Christian Ponder is a
statistical anomaly in our system analysis.
We actually have Christian Ponder rated twice in
our system. There is the very accurate,
potentially good/great projecting forward
Christian Ponder...and then his "evil-twin" QB,
a less accurate, little more
turnover prone Christian Ponder -- one who projects
to be an NFL flop based on the data.
It's not a story of split
personality within the last season. It's a 2009
vs. a 2010 season results issue. The issue
being, almost all QBs have a much better Senior
season then they do their Junior season. Which
is totally logical, due to more maturity and familiarity
with their system, etc. Only for Ponder -- he was near
incredible as a Junior, and very mediocre as a
Senior (in our mathematic evaluations).
The problem likely stems
from the multiple injuries -- ranging from a rib and
shoulder injuries late in 2009 (ended season
early) and elbow issues for most all of 2010. In
the 2010 Bowl Game for Florida State (vs. South
Carolina), Ponder left early with a concussion,
thus ending his season and career...injured. I
cannot statistically quantify injuries or
recovery from them. There is such a big
statistical drop from 2009 to 2010, with serious
injuries wedged in there -- it will be hard to
get a great read from his performance data.
Ponder's overall stats
and passing metrics (all games) in 2010 vs. 2009:
|
Christian Ponder: |
Comp |
Att |
Comp Pct |
Yards |
TDs |
INTs |
|
Yards per Comp |
Pass Att per TD |
Pass Att per INT |
|
2009 Jr |
227 |
330 |
68.8% |
2,717 |
14 |
7 |
|
12.0 |
23.6 |
47.1 |
|
2010 Sr |
184 |
299 |
61.5% |
2,044 |
20 |
8 |
|
11.1 |
15.0 |
37.4 |
Within our mathematical
model, where we analyze just based on tougher
opponents/winning record opponents -- Ponder's
number got even better against better
competition in his Junior year -- that's a sign
of a potential elite NFL QB. However, in his
Senior season his metrics collapsed as the
competition/opponent improved.
Based on his 2009 Junior
season in our grading system, Ponder is a
borderline future "very good" QB with a chance to be
very good/NFL elite. Based on his 2010 Senior
season stats, Ponder would
be considered a likely NFL mediocre or likely
NFL "wash out" from our
system.
If I took only the best metrics
from either 2009/2010 season to make one perfect
utopia season -- Ponder
could be a star, a very high rated QB
in our algorithm model. I'm not sure what is the
fair thing to do, just look at the injury
riddled 2010 or hop back to his great 2009 or
look at a total of both. As well, will these
injuries haunt Ponder forever (something I can't
really quantify)?
The
2010 Red-Flags
In 2010, Ponder wasn't loaded with
red-flags in our system as much as he just had nothing
special for
passing metrics to speak of; just mediocre ones
-- ones not translating to future NFL stardom.
The one category he improved upon from his
Junior to Senior
season (essentially the only one) is with a 16.5
Pass Attempt per Passing TD metric in games
against teams with a winning record. That is
in-line with the NFL future elite QBs in our
system, but nothing
else the 2010 Ponder had among our passing
metrics was in an elite class. They
weren't awful, just not a standout.
From a
physical standpoint, Ponder is questionable at
6'2.1" height and not historically great on a few other physical metrics
either.
Up &
Down against
tougher competition
In Ponder's 4 toughest
games of 2010 (at Oklahoma, at NC State, at
Maryland and Florida), Ponder had decent numbers
with a few scary ones:
-
56.6% Completion
Percentage, most future good/great NFL QBs
will still throw 60%+ in their toughest
games
-
5 TDs and 3 INTs, is an OK
ratio...but just 1.25 Passing TDs per game
is not exciting either
-
21.2 Pass Attempts per
TD, a weaker metric performance among the
future NFL greats in college
Take out the early 2010
season Oklahoma
game, in which maybe Ponder was still coming back
into form from his prior injuries. It's not fair
in our system to outguess the games and make
judgments on how a QB was "feeling". If you did
just look at the NC State, Maryland and Florida late
2010 season, 3-game/stiffer competition tally for
Ponder -- it looks a lot better:
-
62.8% Competition
Percentage
-
5 TDs and just 1 INT
-
A Passing TD for every
15.6 Pass Attempts, which is within the
range of what future NFL elites put up on a
regular basis in college
-
12.0 Yards per
completion, again within the range of the
future elites
Every angle I try to take
on Ponder, I get a read in a different direction
-- always forcing me to think "is this injury related
or not"? It is really very difficult to get a
projection on Christian Ponder.
Amazing his Junior year before the injury in 2009
Ponder was simply amazing
before a November 2009 game against Clemson. A
game in which leading up to it he missed
practices with a rib injury, and then ultimately
in that Clemson game he was knocked out for the
rest of the season. Ponder's stats in 2009
pre-Clemson (games total):
-
13 TDs and 3 INTs
-
69.3% Completion
Percentage
-
4 of 8 games with 300+
yards passing, 7 of 8 games with 260+ yards
passing
-
6 game stretch with NO
interceptions
Ponder really was on his
was to an amazing season in 2009. If injury
free, Ponder could have pushed for 4,000+ yards
passing on the season with an amazingly high
completion percentage. Unfortunately, he got
injured in 2009 and then struggled on and off in 2010.
2011
Senior Bowl MVP
Just as a side note, Ponder
was named MVP of the 2011 Senior Bowl. He was
the only QB to throw a TD in the game, actually
he had 2 Passing TDs total. In his limited time,
Ponder was 7 of 13 for 132 yards and no picks.
Ponder had an extremely high 18.9 yards per
completion in the limited time, a 350-400 yard
pace for a normal full game played.
NFL QB
that 2010 Christian
Ponder most compares to statistically in college...
The closest NFL QB that had
similar data across the board in college with
Ponder (circa 2010), including physically, is Chad Henne.
There are also some Eli Manning comps in there
as well. Both of them kinda make sense. I could
see Ponder being "good" like Eli Manning,
but not
elite...just good. I also could see him struggling
with flashes of really good games to get people
excited...only to let them down -- like Chad Henne did. Henne is
probably the better match as they are more
similar in physical size as it translates to the
NFL. Ponder stands at just barely over 6'2,
that's a concerning attribute for the future NFL
QBs success.
|
QB |
Yr |
College |
H |
W |
adj Comp Pct |
Adj Yds per Comp |
adj Pass per TD |
adj Pass Per INT |
|
Yds per game 35 Att |
TDs per game 35 Att |
INTs per game 35 Att |
|
Ponder, Christian |
2010 |
Florida State |
74.1 |
222 |
56.3% |
12.2 |
20.1 |
31.9 |
|
218.0 |
1.7 |
1.4 |
|
Henne, Chad |
2007 |
Michigan |
74.9 |
230 |
52.8% |
11.4 |
20.2 |
50.2 |
|
210.2 |
1.7 |
0.7 |
|
Manning, Eli |
2003 |
Ole Miss |
77.0 |
221 |
56.3% |
12.2 |
20.1 |
31.9 |
|
239.9 |
1.7 |
1.1 |
NFL QB
that 2009 Christian
Ponder most compares to statistically in college...
The potentially exciting
news about Ponder, using 2009 data only -- is it's
not Chad Henne who Ponder compares to...it's Ben
Roethlisberger, with some Philip Rivers mixed
in. During the 2009 season Ponder was being
discussed as an early leave Junior QB going pro.
Due to the late 2009 season injury, that exuberance
switched over to a 2010 Heisman hopeful. A slow start
and elbow injuries squashed that as well. When you
debate a Big Ben comparison to Ponder, it might
strike you that as of now -- no one is really
talking about Ponder big for the 2011 Draft...just note
for a moment in time Ponder had major QB "buzz"
in 2009. Just because we have short memories,
doesn't mean that the Rivers/Ben comparisons might not be
possible.
Roethlisberger and Rivers
are both much bigger in physical attributes than
Ponder, but I wanted to show how good the Ponder
2009 results were (historically) from his
passing metrics standpoint.
|
QB |
Yr |
College |
H |
W |
adj Comp Pct |
Adj Yds per Comp |
adj Pass per TD |
adj Pass Per INT |
|
Yds per game 35 Att |
TDs per game 35 Att |
INTs per game 35 Att |
|
Ponder, Christian |
2009 |
Florida State |
74.1 |
222 |
70.3% |
12.7 |
18.0 |
51.1 |
|
313.0 |
1.9 |
0.7 |
|
Roethlisberger, Ben |
2003 |
Miami, Ohio |
77.0 |
241 |
69.5% |
13.7 |
17.4 |
50.6 |
|
333.0 |
2.0 |
0.7 |
|
Rivers, Philip |
2003 |
NC State |
77.0 |
221 |
68.1% |
12.0 |
14.2 |
58.1 |
|
286.1 |
2.5 |
0.6 |
2010
based Christian Ponder Overall Score = 0.649
A 0.649 rating our system places Ponder in the
lower/middle range with other mostly bust, or
never-made-it, QBs.
2009
based Christian Ponder Overall Score = 0.903
A 0.903 places Ponder in the range of the
probable very good/elite QBs.
The fact that Christian Ponder was capable of
metrics like 2009, has to give you pause to
consider him in 2011. The fact that he had a
weaker 2010 and has been so injury prone/unlucky
would have to give you pause to not select him
in 2011. Not every mathematical story we
research has a pretty bow to wrap it all up
with. Honestly, with Ponder, we just don't know.
There is too much conflicting data to say
anything definitive.
As an NFL GM, I would have
Ponder on my radar screen as a mid/later round
pick to have a "cheap" look at who Ponder really
is. Is his story just fluke injuries or is he
"injury-prone"? Is he more like Roethlisberger
or Henne? A definite risk/reward selection, but
one that I don't think an NFL team should pay
(with a high pick) a lot for. My guess is that
he will be a 3rd-4th Round pick. If the NFL
medical investigators have nothing but positive
reports on his past injuries, maybe he sneaks
into the 2nd Round. With so many good QBs this
year, I have feeling most NFL teams aren't going
to reach for Christian Ponder...and that
ultimately may be a mistake. If your team gets
Ponder, there is at minimum = "hope". There are
many more big name 2011 QBs, who are system
would indicate have "no hope", with Ponder there
might be something.
*Again, this is all with
"neutral" scores for missing NFL Combine data. A
blown Wonderlic test and any discussion of
"maybe-stardom" for Ponder goes out the window,
right into mediocre/bust in our mathematical evaluations.
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