"Speed is a great asset: but it's greater
when it's combined with quickness - and there's
a big difference" -- Ty Cobb
Much like our WR ratings and mathematical
analysis of them, we separate and judge RBs
based upon what "class" they will likely be in.
What makes Peyton Hillis, Brandon
Jacobs and Mike Tolbert valuable in
the NFL is much different than what makes
Jamaal Charles, Darren McFadden, and
Jahvid Best valuable in the NFL. Peyton
Hillis is never going beat Reggie Bush
in a foot race, but Hillis will get the ball
more on 3rd & one and 4th & Goal.
We look at a couple physical factors or
"profiles" based on various physical metrics,
and make a determination on each incoming RB;
and some of the decisions you may disagree with.
A player may gain weight/muscle in the NFL and
ultimately move them from one class/style to
another...but all we can deal with is what they
are at the time of moving from college to the
NFL. When we see players on the edge of going
wither way, we try to run them both ways and put
them with their best "class". Our 2
classifications for analysis are "speed
RBs" and "power RBs".
"Speed RBs" being more outside runners, short
passing game, runners you want to get into space
and not work as much up the middle (also prone
to injury more often). "Power RBs" being more
inside/off-tackle runners, not as apt to be big
in the passing game...but can be.
As you see our historical RB ratings and
rankings, you will notice it almost all of them
are within the last 5-6 years. On RBs we try to
stay in a more tight recent time range for a few
reasons:
- RBs are just not lasting that long in
the NFL. Five (or more) seasons in the NFL
as a frontline starter with no issues, is
getting more and more rare -- whether due to
injury or "job sharing"; the "elite" NFL RB
is becoming a dinosaur of sorts.
- Trying to compare modern day RBs to "old
school" RBs has been tough for us on the
data we look at, for a variety of reasons.
Trouble finding all the data we need is one
issue. Overall, it has been more predictive
to keep the group logic more recent -- which
causes us to have to make more "leaps of
faith", trying to pattern after current NFL
elite RB trends...as the trends seem to
change faster among RBs within a 5 year
moving/trailing period (at least within our
data). Trying to stay ahead of the curve on
RB
The NFL, in recent years, has adopted a bit
of an anti-RB philosophy in the NFL Draft; and
with good reason -- RBs are not holding up long
term/giving a business the returns for their
investment; and they also seem to be a little
more readily available...often late
round/undrafted RBs do just fine in the NFL. An
elite QB is incredibly hard to come (in the past
5-10 years) as available later in any draft
(Brady aside) or undrafted. Typically the elite
QB will play for a 7+ years and some will go
10-15+ years -- a great return on investment.
When a team loses their elite QB (for whatever
reasons), they may not find another one for
decades. On the other hand, good/great RBs seem
to sprout up all over (and disappear just as
quickly). For more logic on the plight of NFL
RBs, look at the leading rushers (in order) from
2010:
- Arian Foster, an
undrafted
free-agent. The Texans were "so confident"
in Arian Foster last preseason, they jumped
ahead of conventional wisdom to draft Ben
Tate, while still having 1,000+ yard
rusher Steve Slaton on the roster. Tate got
hurt and Foster ended up as a star, and
could disappear just as quickly...it has
happened many times in the NFL with RBs
being "one-hit" wonders.
-
Jamaal Charles, the
10th RB taken
in 2008 (3rd Round) and backup to Thomas
Jones in many of the early parts of 2010
-
Michael Turner, the
9th RB taken
in 2004 (5th Round)
-
Chris Johnson, the 5th RB taken
in 2008 (late 1st Round)
-
Maurice Jones-Drew, the 6th RB
taken in 2006 (2nd Round)
-
Adrian Peterson, the
1st RB
taken in
2007
-
Rashard Mendenhall, the 4th RB
taken (1st Round)
-
Steven Jackson, the
1st RB taken
in 2004
-
Ahmad Bradshaw, the 24th RB taken
in 2007 (7th Round)
-
Ray Rice, the
7th RB taken
in 2008 (2nd Round)
-
Peyton Hillis, on multiple teams
and basically given away by the Broncos last
year
-
Darren McFadden, first productive
year in his career, the
1st RB taken
in 2008
-
Cedric Benson, given up on by the
Bears, 2nd life in Cincy...2nd RB taken in
2005
-
LeSean McCoy, 4th RB taken in
2009 (2nd Round)
-
Matt Forte, the 6th RB taken in
2008 (2nd Round)
-
BenJarvus Green-Ellis,
undrafted
2008
-
LeGarrette Blount,
undrafted
2010
-
Fred Jackson,
undrafted
2003
-
LaDainian Tomlinson,
1st RB taken
in 2005
-
Thomas Jones, 2nd RB taken in
2000
It's not that early selected RBs are "bad",
many of the RB's listed above are 1st-2nd Round
selections...it's just that RBs are available
all over if you miss out on the supposed "top"
RB. Besides the top RBs not having to be 1st or
2nd Round picks, top RB selections don't seem to
mean much to a franchise's fortunes...which may
be anecdotal, but if you wonder why the
Patriots, Steelers or Colts do
all they can stay away from having high draft
picks -- look at the list below (also keep in
mind that the high pick = high payroll as well,
so when you miss" on a pick...it can be a
franchise killer).
The last 10 draft's worth of teams who
grabbed the #1 RB in each draft:
- 2001 = Chargers
- 2002 = Browns
- 2003 = Bills
- 2004 = Rams
- 2005 = Dolphins
- 2006 = Saints
- 2007 = Vikings
- 2008 = Raiders
- 2009 = Broncos
- 2010 = Bills
One Super Bowl appearance among all these
teams in the past decade, and a win for the
Saints and Reggie Bush...but I wouldn't
call Reggie Bush the key to the Saints
run along the way or in the actual game itself
(5 carries and 4 catches in the 2009 Super
Bowl). and I wouldn't call Bush an elite NFL RB
by any stretch of the imagination. Bush was $8M
in payroll in 2010 and expected to jump to
$13.5M in 2011...looking at his career
productivity, I left to think what else could be
done with that $13.5M by the Saints this
year...especially when Chris Ivory costs
about 1% of that.
Of all those teams listed above, 1 made the
playoffs this past season in 2010 (the Saints)
and the group had no playoff wins in 2010.
Again, this is being a little selective with
info...but it is somewhat eye-opening. We cannot
deny Steven Jackson in 2004, AP in 2007
and LT in 2001 as great picks...but no rings for
that group, which probably says more about their
franchise than their contributions as RBs...it
also may say something about the relative value
of a RB as a business proposition.
Due to supply and demand, RBs are kinda
over-valued (to me) in every draft. If you are
going to stretch for an early pick RB in the
draft, I would think you would want to swing for
the fences on a potential
elite/once-in-generation type RB.
When there is a potential elite NFL RB, like
(a few examples) Adrian Peterson,
Steven Jackson or LaDainian Tomlinson
(all of whom are classified as "big RBs in our
system) -- it is usually a combination of bigger
size/frame, much better than average RB
speed/agility, and college statistical
productivity. RBs who stray away from that
"trinity" of characteristics can still do well
in the NFL, but are not maybe as transcendent.
If I am looking to take a RB high in a draft (or
a later steal), I want an elite set of
characteristics...and that's what we set out to
study. I primarily care more about analysis for
Fantasy Football impact, so I am looking for
stats/productivity regardless of actual NFL team
impact. I want to know which RBs could make an
NFL impact, even if just for one season.
Measuring "Speed RBs"
"Speed RBs" range from more "scat backs" and
"3rd Down backs" like a Reggie Bush, to
RB's that can go between the tackles with some
power as well as bounce to the outside -- like
DeAngelo Williams and Maurice
Jones-Drew. The elite among this "speed"
group has the more the ability to go inside and
outside successfully whereas our "power RB" list
is more tackle-to-tackle type runners. Elite
"speed RBs" that aren't as apt to go up the
middle, and had better have higher speed and
agility measurements to project for success
running more outside and catching swing passes
out of the backfield.
Looking through RB data historically, we
tried to find what things current NFL elite RBs
had in common in college performance as well as
measured physically. Not just elites, but what
did future "bust" RBs have in common as well. We
do not reveal the full details of our formulas,
but we will give a general overview. The key
items we looked at for "speed RBs" were:
PHYSICAL MEASUREABLES:
We noticed some repeating patterns on various
physical attributes, and certain combinations of
attributes...we gave the most desired attributes
a higher consideration/grading. Speed and
agility with this group is obviously a more
desired/needed characteristic...but it has to
come with some level of size/strength.
We know physical measureables can be tricky
and erratic, sometimes left to NFL or school
representatives accuracy. It is possible that we
can get fooled, but we have to trust the data
the way it is presented -- as it is all we have,
as well it is just one part of the overall
analysis/algorithms.
ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE:
We focus a lot on the final season of
performance, with some balancing/weighting of
the results on their performance based on
the strength of opponents faced...as well as
strength of conference. Racking up big raw
totals on D-II teams if you play for an Alabama
(example), is not going to help you in our
system...we throw out performance against
mismatched opponents. We also look at some
career performance metrics as well, as there was
some correlations here for us -- unlike our QB
and WR ratings that didn't give us any clues
based on career totals/development.
NOT AS A RECEIVER:
We considered receiving totals very slightly.
Our interest in studying the RBs was for their
ability to the run the ball at the next level.
Nothing we looked at statistically ever jumped
out to help predict "3rd Down" RB ability per
say. We see some patterns with the physical
prototype of a future good 3rd Down RB, but
nothing we felt comfortable looking at college
performance and including as a substantial piece
of the study. We have a "hands" rating that you
will see below, and that is a "swipe" at trying
to predict receiving ability, as well as ball
security, from the college/physical
metrics...but it's not anything we see a huge
statistical value in grading the project-ability
of the RB.
INJURY:
We really can't really quantify severity of
injury, or recovery ability. That has caused a
potential blind-spot, so due-diligence is needed
on RBs with injury issues -- like Frank Gore,
who had multiple ACL issues in college and
didn't rate well in our statistical analysis.
Gore did not grade well on physical
measureables, and likely didn't have as many
carries or as much productivity in college as he
might have if he had been fully healthy.
CHARACTER:
No idea how we would rate this, or judge the
severity...so due-diligence would be needed to
make a final judgment before making an
investment in a RB. As well, a RB with "iffy"
character...I don't care about "issues" as much
for a 5th-7th Round pick -- but is huge if you
are going to take the RB in the Top-10 overall
in the Draft.
CURRENTLY SUCCESSFUL "Speed RBs":
RBs like DeAngelo Williams, Frank
Gore, Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris
Johnson, Jamaal Charles, etc were the
group we studied to find characteristics for
them, that many other RBs could not measure up
to. We looked at RBs that most would consider
"great" as well as those who would be considered
"good", and tried to find common threads that
could be repeated successfully over larger
groups for judgment.
How successful is our
system?...and its real life application:
I would love it, if we were right 100% of the
time...it would be awesome. Likely, no system
exists that could be 100% predictive. We look at
it from a "gambler's" perspective. We would like
to be on the right side of history 70-80%+ of
the time, whether predicting greatness or
mediocrity (or worse). RBs have really been
erratic and their productivity might change as
the teams personnel/coaching changes...it's been
a hard system to pin and stay current with.
Our system was developed mainly for aiding
our Fantasy Football scouting based on a couple
different desires:
- Obviously, if we can find the next elite
RB in the pile of drafted RBs -- then great
for us. As well, if we can avoid the highly
thought of RB...that our system predicts
poorly -- a reverse way of "winning" in
Fantasy Football is avoiding a wasted pick
or pick-up.
- If our system seems a potentially
good/great RB get snagged by a team who
already has a good/great RB...it alters our
feelings on the established RB. Example --
when we saw Chris Ivory work his way
on to the depth chart with the Saints, it
changed our ratings for Pierre Thomas
down. Vice-versa, we shouted from the
roof-tops that Anthony Dixon and
Glen Coffee were no threat to Frank
Gore in 2010 (which was awesome until he
broke a hip).
If you are following our series of 2011 Draft
reports as just a fan of a particular team (and
you are not into Fantasy Football), then
obviously you want your team to select a
potential star and/or avoid a bust/wasted pick.
In that case, our ratings still apply as an
attempt to project these RBs productivity in the
"real"/non-fantasy football. You can look at the
our ratings historically and you can judge it's
value for yourself.
Our
system missed out on...
The aforementioned Frank Gore, again
you have to take this with a grain of salt on
the injury side of things. As an NFL GM, knowing
that RBs are readily available in the
middle/late/undrafted/waived/free-agency...then
I am willing to miss out on a Frank Gore, to
avoid several other problems.
Maurice Jones-Drew our system called
as good/one-to-watch, but didn't pickup on as
more elite an elite rating...and MJD has been a
great pro for a few years now. Watch out for the
impact that Deji Karim might have on him
in 2011.
Ryan Grant is not an elite NFL RB, but
I was hoping he would be picked up better by our
system being that he was an undrafted RB. Our
system analysis didn't see much in him, and has
very lowly projected out of college.
The system success
stories...
There are 20 RBs that made our a rating of
0.800 or higher, which is a cut line where the
good/great start to come into play on our
ratings. Many names you would agree with, some
are too early to tell, and inevitably there are
a few duds -- like J.J. Arrington (he
wasn't who we thought he was) and Reggie Bush
is barely a "good" RB, definitely not elite.
For a few RBs it will take a few years to see
how this plays out as a successful theory for
finding current elite RBs or not (RBs rated
0.950+ and higher). There aren't that many
actual elite level "speed RBs" as it is in the
past 5 years to consider (DeAngelo Williams,
Ray Rice, Chris Johnson as
debatably elite-level RBs and maybe you can say
Matt Forte, Darren McFadden, and
Jamal Charles could be on their way) and
the system did "find" most of these top-level
RBs.
Joseph Addai may make you take pause,
as he listed outside the 0.800+ top group, but
when you look at his NFL career totals -- they
are nice, but not an elite-level NFL RB to me.
It's debatable...
We look at the rating system not so much as
(example) the #4 ranked on our list is better
than the #5 ranked, and so on. If a RB is
scoring above 0.800+, we are taking notice --
and when an RB is rated above 0.950+ we have
them in the "club" of elites; they are RBs who
have many of the characteristics of an NFL elite
RB. Which one of the group of "elites" would be
your preference may depend upon the team they
are drafted on, character issues, etc -- this
rating system is designed only (hopefully) to
let us "know" who is a stronger probability
future elite RB might be.
LEGEND FOR RATINGS:
- SPEED = a combination of
various speed measurements, measured against
our database on similar RBs
- AGILITY = a combination of
various agility test measurements, measured
against our database on similar RBs
- POWER = a combination of
various physical measurements, measured
against our database on similar RBs
- HANDS = a combination of
performance metrics and physical metrics to
grade "hands" -- not only an ability to catch the ball
as a receiver, but for fumble potential as
well. A
unique/private metric of ours. We gave hands
a "grade", but receiving wasn't a huge part
of the analysis -- rushing/running ability
is what we focused on.
*school grade system, A+ being the best in
class historically all the way to F- as
historically the worst combination of metrics --
all based on what WRs with those measurements
did (or didn't do) in the NFL.
**RBs with scores over 0.800 should be on
the radar screen for very good/possible elite;
and 0.950+ ratings we would pay very close
attention to as a possible future elite NFL RB
***The "skill" ratings (Hands, Speed,
Power) are a few category grades we are
showing, there are many more metrics and
measurements considered, but we thought we'd
report out on these just as an FYI on the some
key items the system evaluated.
|
Rating |
Name |
College |
Yr |
Speed |
Agility |
Power |
Hands |
|
1.344 |
Williams, DeAngelo |
Memphis |
2006 |
B |
A- |
A+ |
D |
|
1.317 |
Mathews, Ryan |
Fresno St |
2010 |
A+ |
B |
A |
D+ |
|
1.220 |
Rice, Ray |
Rutgers |
2008 |
B+ |
A |
B+ |
C |
|
1.138 |
Brown, Donald |
Connecticut |
2009 |
B+ |
A |
B+ |
C |
|
1.123 |
Forte, Matt |
Tulane |
2008 |
B+ |
A |
A |
C+ |
|
1.086 |
Charles, Jamaal |
Texas |
2008 |
A+ |
A |
C |
C |
|
1.084 |
Spiller, CJ |
Clemson |
2010 |
A+ |
A |
C |
A- |
|
1.080 |
Scott, Bernard |
Ab Christian |
2009 |
B+ |
A |
C+ |
B+ |
|
1.075 |
Harrison, Jerome |
Washington St |
2006 |
B |
A+ |
B+ |
C |
|
1.067 |
Best, Jahvid |
California |
2010 |
A+ |
A+ |
C |
B |
|
1.052 |
McFadden, Darren |
Arkansas |
2008 |
A+ |
A |
C |
C+ |
|
1.046 |
Arrington, J.J |
California |
2005 |
A- |
A |
A |
C- |
|
1.010 |
Bush, Reggie |
USC |
2006 |
A+ |
INC |
C+ |
B+ |
|
1.008 |
Moreno, Knowshon |
Georgia |
2009 |
C+ |
A |
A+ |
A+ |
|
1.004 |
Choice, Tashard |
Georgia Tech |
2008 |
B+ |
A- |
A |
C |
|
0.989 |
Johnson, Chris |
East Carolina |
2008 |
A+ |
INC |
C- |
B- |
|
0.984 |
Karim, Deji |
So Illinois |
2010 |
A+ |
A- |
A |
C |
|
0.840 |
Jones-Drew, Maurice |
UCLA |
2006 |
A- |
B- |
A |
B |
|
0.834 |
Pittman, Antonio |
Ohio State |
2007 |
A |
A |
B- |
C |
|
0.823 |
Jones, Felix |
Arkansas |
2008 |
B+ |
A |
B |
B |
It may seem odd to see Ryan Mathews
sitting near the top of this rating, considering
he didn't appear to have a very elite 2010. Keep
in mind that Mathews was a starter right out of
the gates for San Diego, and was also injured
right away -- nagging (not serious) injuries
that had his performance up and down (mostly
down) all season. Also, note that only
LeGarrette Blount (1,007) had more rushing
yards among all 2010 rookies than Mathews (678).
San Diego shocked the NFL Draft world by
trading way up and taking Mathews way ahead of
the draft experts predictions, I think I know
why...he's that good on our board too, perhaps
just a coincidence. *For a little more on
Ryan Mathews that you may find interesting
from an article of mine from last preseason
click here =
RB Ryan Mathews - Fantasy Football 2010 Picks
and Projections
You may find Deji Karim and Bernard
Scott as very interesting "speed RB"
prospects as well on this list as well. The
system thinks they are lesser known, small
school RBs to watch in coming seasons. If
character plays an issue for you, Bernard
Scott has quite a checked past...but
prototypically, he could be a great NFL RB...I
am nervous about the character issues, but those
issues are not reflected in the formula.
|
Rating |
Name |
College |
Yr |
Speed |
Agility |
Power |
Hands |
|
0.770 |
Norwood, Jerious |
Miss State |
2006 |
A- |
A- |
B+ |
C+ |
|
0.760 |
Ringer, Javon |
Michigan St |
2009 |
C- |
A |
A+ |
C |
|
0.758 |
Addai, Joseph |
LSU |
2006 |
A |
B- |
A |
B+ |
|
0.756 |
Sproles, Darren |
Kansas St |
2005 |
B |
A+ |
C+ |
B+ |
|
0.746 |
Slaton, Steve |
West Virginia |
2008 |
B- |
A |
B |
B |
|
0.740 |
Smith, Kevin |
C. Florida |
2008 |
C |
A |
B+ |
C+ |
|
0.733 |
Morency, Vernand |
Oklahoma St |
2005 |
C |
B |
A |
D- |
|
0.722 |
Peerman, Cedric |
Virginia |
2009 |
A+ |
A- |
A+ |
B |
|
0.719 |
Hart, Mike |
Michigan |
2008 |
D+ |
A- |
A+ |
D |
|
0.664 |
Simpson, Chad |
Morgan State |
2008 |
A+ |
D- |
A |
D+ |
|
0.650 |
Hairston, Justise |
C Conn St |
2007 |
C- |
A |
B |
D |
|
0.639 |
Bradshaw, Ahmad |
Marshall |
2007 |
C |
A+ |
B- |
C |
|
0.638 |
Thomas, Marcus |
UTEP |
2008 |
C+ |
INC |
A |
C |
|
0.626 |
Calhoun, Brian |
Wisconsin |
2006 |
C- |
B |
A |
B |
|
0.624 |
Irons, Kenny |
Auburn |
2007 |
B+ |
B+ |
B- |
C+ |
|
0.620 |
Williams, Carnell |
Auburn |
2005 |
B- |
A |
A |
C- |
|
0.588 |
Starks, James |
Buffalo |
2010 |
B- |
A |
C+ |
B+ |
|
0.587 |
McCoy, LeSean |
Pitt |
2009 |
B- |
A |
B |
B- |
|
0.557 |
Boyd, Cory |
So Carolina |
2008 |
C+ |
A- |
B |
B+ |
|
0.556 |
Booker, Lorenzo |
Florida St |
2007 |
B+ |
B- |
C |
A |
|
0.542 |
Brown, Thomas |
Georgia |
2008 |
C |
C+ |
A+ |
B- |
|
0.533 |
Woodhead, Danny |
Chadron St |
2008 |
B |
B |
C+ |
B |
|
0.530 |
Wolfe, Garrett |
No Illinois |
2007 |
A+ |
A+ |
D |
C |
|
0.516 |
Jackson, Brandon |
Nebraska |
2007 |
C |
B+ |
A |
B |
|
0.515 |
Alridge, Anthony |
Houston |
2008 |
A+ |
A |
F- |
B |
|
0.514 |
Peerman, Alvin |
Virginia |
2005 |
D |
B+ |
A+ |
B |
|
0.510 |
Gore, Frank |
Miami, Fla |
2005 |
C- |
A |
B+ |
C+ |
|
0.492 |
Coffee, Glen |
Alabama |
2009 |
|
D- |
B+ |
C |
|
0.453 |
Herron, Noah |
Northwestern |
2005 |
D |
A |
C |
B |
|
0.399 |
Fason, Ciatrick |
Florida |
2005 |
C- |
|
B- |
B- |
|
0.375 |
Anderson, Andre |
Tulane |
2010 |
C- |
A |
B |
B |
|
0.372 |
Forsett, Justin |
California |
2008 |
C+ |
C- |
B- |
B- |
|
0.365 |
Walker, Darius |
Notre Dame |
2007 |
C+ |
C- |
B |
A |
|
0.359 |
Washington, Chauncey |
USC |
2008 |
B+ |
F- |
A |
D+ |
|
0.351 |
Goodson, Mike |
Texas A&M |
2009 |
B- |
A |
C |
A+ |
|
0.344 |
Washington, Leon |
Florida St |
2006 |
B |
A- |
B+ |
B |
|
0.338 |
Moats, Ryan |
La Tech |
2005 |
C+ |
D+ |
A |
C- |
|
0.333 |
Patrick, Allen |
Oklahoma |
2008 |
B |
INC |
C |
C |
|
0.322 |
McKnight, Joe |
USC |
2010 |
B |
C- |
C |
B |
|
0.304 |
James, Javarris |
Miami, Fla |
2010 |
C |
B |
B+ |
B+ |
|
0.293 |
Davis, Anthony |
Wisconsin |
2005 |
|
D |
A |
C- |
|
0.266 |
Savage, Dantrell |
Oklahoma St |
2008 |
C+ |
B |
F- |
B |
|
0.250 |
McCluster, Dexter |
Ole Miss |
2010 |
C |
A+ |
D+ |
B+ |
|
0.197 |
Glasford, Travis |
W. Illinois |
2006 |
B |
INC |
C- |
A |
|
0.183 |
Johnson, Gartrell |
Colorado State |
2009 |
D |
INC |
D+ |
B |
|
0.174 |
Young, Selvin |
Texas |
2007 |
C |
INC |
B |
B |
|
0.111 |
Grant, Ryan |
Notre Dame |
2005 |
B- |
B+ |
B- |
D- |
|
-0.205 |
Cobb, DeAndra |
Michigan State |
2005 |
C+ |
C+ |
C |
C- |
|
-0.286 |
Darby, Kenneth |
Alabama |
2007 |
F |
D |
A |
B |
The 2011 "speed RB"
Class Ratings?
Individual reports will come out on some of
the main RBs this week, pre-draft (hopefully)
and post draft. It looks like we have no 2011
"speed RBs" above our cut line of 0.950+ for
elite, but we do have 2 prospects to keep an eye
on above 0.800+...and another very intriguing
(to me) RB that didn't make the 0.800+ cut (but,
was close), but that is an amazing physical
specimen and someone I would want as a later
round pick to take a gamble on if I could get my
hands on them. The reveals coming as fast as we
can produce them...
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