*See related article =
Statistically Looking for Elite "Speed" RBs, and
Recent RB Historical Ratings
You can read the about "Speed RBs" version of
this analysis at the link above. The first
couple of paragraphs from that article, works as
a start here as well:
Much like our WR ratings and mathematical
analysis of them, we separate and judge RBs
based upon what "class" they will likely be in.
What makes Peyton Hillis, Brandon
Jacobs and Mike Tolbert valuable in
the NFL is much different than what makes
Jamaal Charles, Darren McFadden, and
Jahvid Best valuable in the NFL. Peyton
Hillis is never going beat Reggie Bush
in a foot race, but Hillis will get the ball
more on 3rd & one and 4th & Goal.
We look at a couple physical factors or
"profiles" based on various physical metrics and
some on-field performance metrics, and make a
determination on each incoming RB; and some of
the decisions you may disagree with. A player
may gain weight/muscle in the NFL and ultimately
move them from one class/style to another...but
all we can deal with is what they are at the
time of moving from college to the NFL. When we
see players on the edge of going either way, we
try to run them both ways and put them with
their best "class". Our 2 classifications for
analysis are "speed RBs" and "power
RBs".
"Speed RBs" being more outside
runners, short passing game, runners you want to
get into space and not work as much up the
middle (also prone to injury more often). "Power
RBs" being more inside/off-tackle runners,
not as apt to be as big in the passing
game...but can be.
As you see our historical RB ratings and
rankings, you will notice it almost all of the
players are within the last 5-6 years. On RBs we
try to stay in a more tight recent time range
for a few reasons:
- RBs are just not lasting that long in
the NFL. Five (or more) seasons in the NFL
as a frontline starter with no issues, is
getting more and more rare -- whether due to
injury or "job sharing"; the "elite" NFL RB
is becoming a dinosaur of sorts.
- Trying to compare modern day RBs to
"old school" RBs has been tough for us on
the data we look at, for a variety of
reasons. Trouble finding all the data we
need is one issue. Overall, it has been more
predictive to keep the group logic more
recent -- which causes us to have to make
more "leaps of faith", trying to pattern
after current NFL elite RB trends...as the
trends seem to change faster among RBs
within a 5 year moving/trailing period (at
least within our data).
POWER RB's
As we have put these lists together the last
couple of years, one thing seems to stick out --
a nice blend of speed/power with a tilt more on
the power seems to have lasting power in the
NFL...and thus is a better investment.
This is an over-simplification of a
comparison of "speed vs. power" RBs...but, the
last 5 seasons of Top-5 rushing yardage
producers in the NFL are as follows:
|
|
2006 |
2007 |
2008 |
2009 |
2010 |
|
1) |
LaDainian
Tomlinson |
LaDainian Tomlinson |
Adrian Peterson |
Chris Johnson |
Adrian Foster |
|
2) |
Larry
Johnson |
Adrian Peterson |
Michael Turner |
Steven Jackson |
Jamaal Charles |
|
3) |
Frank
Gore |
Bryan Westbrook |
DeAngelo Williams |
Thomas Jones |
Michael Turner |
|
4) |
Tiki
Barber |
Willie Parker |
Clinton Portis |
M. Jones-Drew |
Chris Johnson |
|
5) |
Steven
Jackson |
Jamal Lewis |
Thomas Jones |
Adrian Peterson |
M. Jones-Drew |
- 4 out of the last 5 Rushing Leaders, are
larger frame/bigger "power RBs"...in our
system
- 4 out of the last 5 Rushing TD leaders
were "power RBs" as well, even the year
Chris Johnson ran for 2,006 yards...Adrian
Peterson led the league in Rushing TDs.
- 12 out of the 18 names above, we define
as "power RBs"
- of the 25 slots above, 15 are taken up
by "Power RBs"
It's not necessarily by a wide margin that
"Power RBs" produce better than "Speed RBs",
it's just that the lasting potential and/or the
return on investment has been safer.
LaDainian Tomlinson, Steven Jackson, and
Adrian Peterson seem to have a longer run at
the top of their game more than the
sporadic "speed RBs" like a Willie Parker,
Darren McFadden, etc. Not because of a
talent drop-off, it may just be the smaller
framed "speed RBs" cannot absorb the hits as
well over a sustained period of time...who knows
for sure? When it comes to an NFL Franchise, or
a Fantasy Football team, the safer play seems to
be to lean toward a "Power RB".
The Patriots seem to have tilted toward this
philosophy as well, giving more of the burden to
Laurence Maroney and BenJarvus
Green-Ellis over the past few years, and
shying away from "speed RBs". Their big
investment in a "speed RB" in 2010 was claiming
Danny Woodhead off waivers. The last 10
years of leading rushers/rush attempt RBs for
the Patriots are all bigger framed,
taller/heavier RBs.
The Patriots leading rushers the past 10
years:
- 2001 = Antwain Smith (6'2, 232)
- 2002 = Antwain Smith
- 2003 = Antwain Smith
- 2004 = Corey Dillon (6'1, 225)
- 2005 = Corey Dillon
- 2006 = Corey Dillon
- 2007 = Laurence Maroney (5'11, 220)
- 2008 = Sammie Morris (6'0, 220)
- 2009 = Laurence Maroney
- 2010 = BenJarvus Green-Ellis (5'11, 215)
You may conclude by all this, "I knew the
Patriots were going to want Mark Ingram"...they
might, especially if you look at their recent
decade of RB draft picks -- all bigger/big frame
RBs...not "speed RBs":
- 2000 = Patrick Pass (5'11, 238) 7th
Round
- 2000 = JR Redmond (5'11, 213) 3rd Round
- 2002 = Antwoine Womack (5'11, 223) 7th
Round
- 2004 = Cedric Cobbs (6'0, 227) 4th Round
- 2006 = Laurence Maroney (6'0, 217) 1st
Round
- 2006 = Garrett Mills (6'1, 235) 4th
Round
- 2007 = Justise Harriston (6'1, 220) 6th
Round
Not a lot of "3rd Down RBs" on the list, or
"hey, let's run the student body right" (for
those not old-school, that's a "sweep" running
play) RBs on this list. All bigger, bulky RBs,
that are mostly later round selections...but,
they did take Maroney in the 1st Round in 2006.
Not that the Patriots RB Draft history list
is filled with future Hall-of-Famers, it's just
the "profile" of what the smartest personnel
team the last decade has trended on --
targeting, and giving the bulk of the work to,
bigger, "power RBs". Typically, when the
Patriots are doing something in a pattern...it's
best to at least take note of it.
Measuring "Power RBs"
Elite size and power are not enough to be a
sustainably good/elite RB in the NFL (Brandon
Jacobs may be the one RB that can break that
rule, but looking at his career...good, but not
elite). When you can find elite level speed and
agility, mixed with a bigger frame and
strength...it is rare, and you have the
foundation for a sustainable elite NFL RB. The
size and speed measurements (and college
on-field performance) of Adrian Peterson,
LaDainian Tomlinson, Rashard Mendenhall,
Jonathan Stewart and Steven Jackson
are a very rare and valuable commodity -- one
that is seemingly worth using a higher draft
pick on.
What we based our measurements on...
PHYSICAL MEASUREABLES:
We noticed some repeating patterns on various
physical attributes, and certain combinations of
attributes...we gave the most desired attributes
a higher consideration/grading. Speed and
agility with this group is a desired characteristic,
but the speed grading scale doesn't have to be
as high for "Power RBs" as it does for our
"Speed RBs". It is equally important for the
"power RBs" that their strength/physical frame
metrics be at a higher level for grading.
We know physical measureables can be tricky
and erratic, sometimes left to NFL (at the
Combine) or college (pro-days) representatives
for accuracy. It is possible that we
can get fooled with a "off" measurement, but we have to trust the data
the way it is presented -- as it is all we have,
as well it is just one part of the overall
analysis/algorithms.
We also look at hand size, arm lengths and
other various physical measurements and metrics
-- factoring them in as historical trends would
dictate.
ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE:
We focus a lot on the final season of
performance, with some balancing/weighting of
the results on their performance based on
the strength of opponents faced...as well as
strength of conference. Racking up big raw
totals on D-II teams if you play for an Alabama
(example), is not going to help you in our
system...we throw out performance against
mismatched opponents. We also look at some
career performance metrics as well, as there was
some correlations here for us -- unlike our QB
and WR ratings that didn't give us many clues
based on career totals/development, we do lean
on it for RB analysis.
NOT AS MUCH AS A RECEIVER:
We considered receiving totals very slightly.
Our interest in studying the RBs was for their
ability to the run the ball at the next level.
Nothing we looked at statistically ever jumped
out to help predict "3rd Down RB" ability per
say. We see some patterns with the physical
prototype of a future good "3rd Down RBs", but
nothing we felt comfortable looking at their
college performance and including as a
substantial piece of the formula. We have a
"hands" rating that you will see below, and that
is a "swipe" at trying to predict receiving
ability, as well as ball security, from the
college/physical metrics...but it's not anything
we see a huge statistical value or correlation
in grading the projection of the RB.
INJURY:
We really can't really quantify severity of
injury, or recovery ability. That has caused a
potential blind-spot, so due-diligence is needed
on RBs with injury issues -- like Arian
Foster, who had multiple injury issues in
college and didn't rate well in our statistical
analysis. Foster did not grade well on physical
measureables, and likely didn't have as many
carries or as much productivity in college as he
might have if he had been fully healthy. Pro
scouts must have thought the same, as Foster
went undrafted in 2008. We would have loved for
our mathematical analysis to "find"
Foster...but, alas it did not (and my Dad,
and rabid Texans fan, is sure to point
this "miss" out on occasion).
CHARACTER:
No idea how we would rate this, or judge the
severity...so due-diligence would be needed to
make a final judgment before making an
investment in a RB. As well, a RB with "iffy"
character we can't really quantify per say...it
gets a little too subjective. From a draft
perspective, I don't care about character
"issues" as much for a 4th-7th Round pick -- but
is huge if you are going to take the RB in the
1st Round in the Draft.
CURRENTLY SUCCESSFUL "Power RBs":
RBs like Adrian Peterson, Steven
Jackson, Arian Foster, Rashard
Mendenhall etc were some among the group we
studied to find characteristics for them, that
many other RBs could not measure up to. We
looked at RBs that most would consider "great"
as well as those who would be considered "good",
and tried to find common threads that could be
predicted successfully over larger groups of RBs
for judgment.
How successful is our
system?...and its real life application:
I would love it, if we were right 100% of the
time...it would be awesome. Likely, no system
exists that could be 100% predictive. We look at
it from a "gambler's" perspective. We would like
to be on the right side of history 70-80%+ of
the time, whether predicting greatness or
mediocrity (or worse). RBs have really been
erratic in the NFL, and their productivity might
change as the teams personnel/coaching
changes...it's been a hard system to pin and
stay current with.
Our system was developed mainly for aiding
our Fantasy Football scouting based on a couple
different desires:
- Obviously, if we can find the next elite
RB in the pile of drafted RBs -- then great
for us. As well, if we can avoid the highly
thought of RB that our system predicts
poorly -- that is a reverse way of "winning"
in Fantasy Football ; by avoiding a wasted
pick or pick-up on a "bust".
- If our system sees a potentially
good/great RB get snagged by a team who
already has a good/great RB...it alters our
feelings on the established RB. Example --
when we saw Chris Ivory work his way
on to the depth chart with the Saints, it
changed our ratings for Pierre Thomas
down. Vice-versa, we shouted from the
roof-tops that Anthony Dixon and
Glen Coffee were no threat to Frank
Gore in 2010 (which was awesome until
Gore broke a hip).
If you are following our series of 2011
individual Draft reports as just a fan of a
particular team (and you are not into Fantasy
Football), then obviously you want your team to
select a potential star and/or avoid a
bust/wasted pick. In that case, our ratings can
still apply as an attempt to project these RBs
productivity in the "real"/non-fantasy football
world. You can look at the our ratings
historically and you can judge it's value for
yourself.
A few our
system missed out on...
The aforementioned Arian Foster, again
you have to take this with a grain of salt on
the injury side of things. As an NFL GM, knowing
that RBs are readily available in the
middle/late/undrafted/waived/free-agency...then
I am willing to miss out on a Arian Foster,
to avoid several other problems. If the Texans
thought they struck gold with Foster, they never
would have drafted Ben Tate so high. Had
Tate not gotten hurt preseason 2010, we may be
talking about Tate like we do Arian Foster
right now. Either way, Foster had an amazing
year in 2010 and our system didn't see it
coming.
Peyton Hillis was a college backup to
Darren McFadden and Felix Jones...and
was used as an odd FB/H-back for Arkansas,
almost catching more passes than running
attempts his final year -- thus, in our system
his on-field performance metrics are very odd
for an college RB. Physically, Hillis is
obviously huge -- but think about all the
successful "Hulk" type RBs over time...there
aren't many. Hillis is not overly fast or agile,
and remember Jerome Harrison was
elite for half a season with the Browns the year
prior...the Browns may have a great rushing
system/O-Line in place. I think Hillis is going
to continue to have trouble with very his small
hands (by NFL standards), which is bad for cold
Cleveland...and you saw the kind of fumble
issues he had in 2010. Hillis obviously had a
great 2010 season, but let's see if this is a
long term thing or a blip. He is on the Madden
cover, so really watch out in 2011.
Cedric Benson is maybe a minor
miss...although I don't think so. When you look
at it -- one kinda good season in 2009, low
yards per carry, low TDs even if his productive
2 seasons out of his 6 total seasons.
Definitely, not an elite.
The system success
stories...
There are 19 RBs that made our a rating of
0.800+ or higher (pre-2011), which is a cut line
where the good/great start to come into play on
our ratings. Many names you would agree with,
some are too early to tell, and inevitably there
are a few duds -- like Eric Shelton
(injury riddled right from the get go) and maybe
Jackie Battle (but, he has shown sparks
of hope...not giving up on fully yet, but
definitely not a success story to date).
Lendale White, who knows -- you have to call
him a "bust", but what might have been if he had
his head screwed on straight...
There are 9 "power RBs" that scored 0.950+,
as a higher probable elite level NFL RB; most of
which you would tend to agree with...some the
story still needs to play out. You will see
LaDainian Tomlinson is also on there...which
is a player drafted outside of the last 5-7
years recent range that we try to stick within,
but I just had to know how LT rated within the
current group/formula. Jackie Battle,
to this point, is the odd man out of this
(potential) "elite" group.
We look at the rating system not so much as
(example) the #1 ranked on our list is better
than the #2 ranked, and so on. If a RB is
scoring above 0.800+, we are taking notice --
and when an RB is rated above 0.950+ we have
them in the "club" of elites; they are RBs who
have many of the characteristics of an NFL elite
RB. Which one of the group of "elites" would be
your preference may depend upon the team they
are drafted on, character issues, etc -- this
rating system is designed only (hopefully) to
let us "know" whom a stronger probability future
elite RB might be.
LEGEND FOR RATINGS:
- SPEED = a combination of
various speed measurements, measured against
our database on similar RBs
- AGILITY = a combination of
various agility test measurements, measured
against our database on similar RBs
- POWER = a combination of
various physical measurements, measured
against our database on similar RBs
- HANDS = a combination of
performance metrics and physical metrics to
grade "hands" -- not only an ability to catch the ball
as a receiver, but for fumble potential as
well. A
unique/private metric of ours. We gave hands
a "grade", but receiving wasn't a huge part
of the analysis -- rushing/running ability
is what we focused on.
*school grade system, A+ being the best in
class historically all the way to F- as
historically the worst combination of metrics --
all based on what WRs with those measurements
did (or didn't do) in the NFL.
**RBs with scores over 0.800 should be on
the radar screen for very good/possible elite;
and 0.950+ ratings we would pay very close
attention to as a possible future elite NFL RB
***The "skill" ratings (Hands, Speed,
Power) are a few category grades we are
showing, there are many more metrics and
measurements considered, but we thought we'd
report out on these just as an FYI on the some
key items the system evaluated.
|
Rating |
Name |
College |
Yr |
Speed |
Agility |
Power |
Hands |
|
1.202 |
Tomlinson, LaDainian |
TCU |
2001 |
A |
A+ |
C |
C |
|
1.122 |
Stewart, Jonathan |
Oregon |
2008 |
A+ |
B |
A+ |
C+ |
|
1.095 |
Mendenhall, Rashard |
Illinois |
2008 |
A+ |
B+ |
A+ |
B |
|
1.076 |
Peterson, Adrian |
Oklahoma |
2007 |
A+ |
B |
B- |
C+ |
|
1.068 |
Gerhart, Toby |
Stanford |
2010 |
B+ |
A- |
B+ |
D+ |
|
1.026 |
Tate, Ben |
Auburn |
2010 |
A+ |
A |
A- |
C- |
|
1.007 |
Turner, Michael |
No Illinois |
2004 |
A- |
D |
A |
C |
|
1.002 |
Jackson, Steven |
Oregon State |
2004 |
A |
B+ |
C- |
B+ |
|
0.973 |
Battle, Jackie |
Houston |
2007 |
A+ |
A+ |
C |
D |
|
0.947 |
White, Lendale |
USC |
2006 |
A- |
B |
D |
C |
|
0.909 |
Wells, Chris |
Ohio State |
2009 |
B+ |
INC |
A+ |
D |
|
0.901 |
Maroney, Lawrence |
Minnesota |
2006 |
A- |
A |
B- |
C |
|
0.890 |
Blount, LeGarrette |
Oregon |
2010 |
C- |
A |
B- |
D |
|
0.886 |
Brown, Ronnie |
Auburn |
2005 |
A+ |
B+ |
C+ |
A+ |
|
0.865 |
Jacobs, Brandon |
So Illinois |
2005 |
B |
D |
A |
B+ |
|
0.851 |
Shelton, Eric |
Louisville |
2005 |
B- |
D+ |
C+ |
D+ |
|
0.847 |
Hardesty, Montario |
Tennessee |
2010 |
A+ |
A |
B |
C+ |
|
0.842 |
Parmele, Jalen |
Toledo |
2008 |
A+ |
A- |
C |
C- |
|
0.838 |
Tolbert, Mike |
Costal Carolina |
2008 |
B |
INC |
A+ |
C |
|
Rating |
Name |
College |
Yr |
Speed |
Agility |
Power |
Hands |
|
0.764 |
Greene, Shonn |
Iowa |
2009 |
C |
B- |
C+ |
D |
|
0.725 |
Henry, Chris |
Arizona |
2007 |
A |
A- |
A |
B |
|
0.722 |
Bell, Joique |
Wayne St |
2010 |
C- |
A+ |
D |
C |
|
0.720 |
Lynch, Marshawn |
California |
2007 |
A |
B |
B- |
A+ |
|
0.714 |
Wynn, DeShawn |
Florida |
2007 |
A |
C |
A |
D |
|
0.704 |
Bush, Michael |
Louisville |
2007 |
C |
D+ |
C |
B |
|
0.675 |
Benson, Cedric |
Texas |
2005 |
C+ |
D |
B |
C |
|
0.658 |
Barber, Marion |
Minnesota |
2005 |
A- |
C |
B |
D |
|
0.642 |
Hightower, Tim |
Richmond |
2008 |
B- |
C- |
B |
C |
|
0.631 |
Hilliard, Lex |
Montana |
2008 |
C |
B+ |
C |
C |
|
0.626 |
Smith, Kolby |
Louisville |
2007 |
B+ |
C |
C- |
A |
|
0.612 |
Ivory, Chris |
Tiffin |
2010 |
A- |
C |
B |
C |
|
0.588 |
Dwyer, Jonathan |
Georgia Tech |
2010 |
C |
D- |
D |
F |
|
0.584 |
Bell, Mike |
Arizona |
2006 |
C+ |
C+ |
C |
C+ |
|
0.558 |
Dixon, Anthony |
Mississippi St |
2010 |
C |
B |
D |
C |
|
0.552 |
Wright, Dewayne |
Fresno St |
2007 |
C |
C |
F |
B+ |
|
0.517 |
Miller, Lonyae |
Fresno St |
2010 |
A |
C |
B+ |
F |
|
0.509 |
Ilaoa, Nate |
Hawaii |
2007 |
D |
B- |
A+ |
A |
|
0.489 |
Nash, Damien |
Missouri |
2005 |
B |
A+ |
C |
A |
|
0.470 |
Foster, Arian |
Tennessee |
2009 |
C |
B |
B |
A+ |
|
0.458 |
Clarett, Maurice |
Ohio State |
2005 |
F |
D |
B+ |
C- |
|
0.423 |
Torain, Ryan |
Arizona State |
2008 |
C+ |
C |
B- |
C- |
|
0.423 |
Hunt, Tony |
Penn State |
2007 |
C- |
D |
A |
C- |
|
0.411 |
Brown, Andre |
NC State |
2009 |
A+ |
D+ |
A- |
A+ |
|
0.378 |
Houston, Cedric |
Tennessee |
2005 |
C |
C- |
C |
C |
|
0.365 |
Hillis, Peyton |
Arkansas |
2008 |
C+ |
C+ |
A+ |
A- |
|
0.348 |
Clayton, Thomas |
Kansas St |
2007 |
C |
C |
B |
B+ |
|
0.196 |
Snelling, Jason |
Virginia |
2007 |
D- |
B |
D |
A |
|
0.120 |
Green-Ellis, BenJarvus |
Ole Miss |
2008 |
C+ |
D- |
A+ |
D |
The 2011 "Power RB"
Class Ratings?
Individual reports will come out on some of
the main RBs this week, pre-draft (hopefully)
and post draft. We do have one of the 2011
"power RB" rated above our cut line of 0.950+
for elite (spoiler alert, not Mark Ingram),
and we have 2 other prospects to keep an eye on
above 0.800+. Reports coming as fast as we can
produce them.
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